Open to learn conversations

Photo credit: Derek Wenmoth

“I just don’t know how to handle these conversations effectively.” This was a recurring theme at our recent Refresh, Reconnect, Refocus retreat for Assistant and Deputy Principals in Wellington last week. Whether dealing with staff resistant to new initiatives, managing peer conflicts, addressing parent concerns, or supporting student engagement – these crucial conversations consume enormous emotional energy and stand as a key challenge for educational leaders.

The traditional approach to developing these skills typically involves workshops where strategies are introduced and practiced through role-play exercises. While these sessions provide valuable frameworks and techniques, our participants highlighted a persistent gap: the challenge of building genuine confidence in applying these skills back in their schools.

Role-play has long been the go-to method for practicing these conversations. Participants pair up or work with facilitators to simulate challenging scenarios, offering a safe environment to practice without real-world consequences. However, our APs and DPs shared a common frustration: these simulations often feel artificial. When people feel self-conscious about “acting,” the learning potential diminishes. More importantly, traditional role-plays struggle to capture the complex dynamics, histories, and emotional nuances that make real workplace conversations so challenging.

This is where innovation is transforming how we develop these crucial leadership skills. Over the past few months, I’ve been working with Ian Zhu, a US-based entrepreneur, to bring an exciting solution to New Zealand educators. NIMO, an AI-based conversation platform, is revolutionising how we practice these challenging conversations.

The inspiration for the design of this platform came from the need to see more support for the development of the kinds of competencies/capabilities they will need as they become adults and as they go through life – things like persevering, learning from mistakes, trying new approaches and knowing how you learn. In the US these are becoming referred to as Durable Skills and include a combination of how you use what you know – skills such as critical thinking, communication, collaboration, and creativity – as well as character skills like fortitude, growth mindset, and leadership.

NIMO isn’t yet available more widely, but is being trialled in a number of locations in the US, and now in NZ via the FutureMakers website. Thus we were able to introduce our group of APs and DPs to the product and let them loose on trying the different scenarios that are available. After some initial reticence at having to ‘speak to a computer’ the participants became fully engrossed in the scenario they had chosen, determined to use the skills and experience they have accumulated in their current leadership roles in schools to work towards a resolution of the particular issue or concern being represented.

Using NIMO is pretty straight forward. On the FutureMakers trial page you’ll find a number of scenarios – one of which is illustrated to the left here. There’s a green button below this that you use to launch the simulation.

You’ll need to ensure you have a computer or laptop equipped with speakers and microphone, as from this point you will be ‘speaking’ with an AI agent that has been trained to take on the role of the individual described in the scenario.

You will be briefed on what your task and role is when you launch the simulation, and from there you simply begin engaging with the character in the simulation.

There’s no pre-determined design to the process you’ll follow. The AI agent has been trained to listen to the feedback you provide, the questions you ask, the tone of your voice etc. and provide responses based on what is heard – pretty much as you’d expect to find in a ‘real life’ scenario. The best part here is that you get to practise rather than go straight into what is often a high stakes situation involving various levels of uncertainty, misunderstanding or conflict.

The participants in our workshop worked in pairs to engage with the particular scenario they chose – with one person focused on holding the conversation and the other observing and making notes along the way.

At any point during the conversation – or when you have reached a point where there’s a mutually agreed solution – you can click on the ‘end simulation’ button and you are provided with a complete transcript of what has been spoken, and a call analysis (see right) that provides AI-generated insights into the key moments in the conversation where these skills have been demonstrated or where they could be improved. The analysis provides plenty of ‘next steps’ suggestions for now you might refine your approach or where you might use an alternative strategy.

The analysis concludes with a summary of the durable skills that are relevant to this scenario and provides an assessment of how these have been demonstrated by you through the whole of the conversation.

The participants in our programme found this extremely useful and spent some time reading and reflecting on what was provided, with many then opting to have a second go at engaging in the simulation to see how the might improve the outcome. Many of the group came back the next morning reporting that they’d spent more time overnight trying out different strategies and endeavouring to improve their approach. Some even invited their spouse to experience what it was like to engage in these sorts of conversations and some very positive feedback was received from one who saw immediate application for use in his business environment.

The power of AI-based simulations like NIMO lies in their ability to bridge the gap between theoretical learning and real-world application. By providing a responsive, judgment-free environment where educators can practice and refine their communication skills, these tools offer something traditional role-play scenarios simply cannot – authentic, dynamic interactions that adapt to each participant’s approach while providing detailed, actionable feedback.

The enthusiasm shown by our workshop participants – from their initial skepticism to spending extra time practicing overnight and even sharing the experience with family members – demonstrates the compelling nature of this approach to professional development. This isn’t just about learning new skills; it’s about building the confidence to apply them effectively in real-world situations.

Could you be ready to transform how you approach challenging conversations in your school? Join the growing community of educators enhancing their leadership capabilities through AI-supported practice:

  • Visit the introducing NIMO page on the FutureMakers website to access the NIMO trial
  • Start with a simple scenario to familiarize yourself with the platform
  • Share your experience with colleagues and build a community of practice
  • Contact me to learn more about incorporating NIMO into your school’s professional development program

Don’t let the challenge of difficult conversations hold you back from being the educational leader your school needs. Take the first step today and experience how AI can support your professional growth.

By wenmothd

Derek is regarded as one of NZ education’s foremost Future Focused thinkers, and is regularly asked to consult with schools, policy makers and government agencies regarding the future directions of NZ educational policy and practice.

2 replies on “Open to learn conversations”

A great demonstration of the power of NI+AI! Natural Intelligence amplified by technology for those with open minds prepared to experiment and harness the best of both.

This is GREAT application of AI as a tool for improving one’s confidence in having the difficult conversations.

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The Learning Environments Australasia Executive Committee  has received a lot of positive feedback, which is greatly due to your wealth of knowledge and information you imparted on our large audience, your presentation has inspired a range of educators, architects and facility planners and for this we are grateful.

Daniel Smith Chair Learning Environments Australasia

Derek and Maurie complement each other well and have the same drive and passion for a future education system that is so worthwhile being part of. Their presentation and facilitation is at the same time friendly and personal while still incredibly professional. I am truly grateful to have had this experience alongside amazing passionate educators and am inspired to re visit all aspects of my leadership. I have a renewed passion for our work as educational leaders.

Karyn Gray Principal, Raphael House Rudolf Steiner

I was in desperate need of a programme like this. This gave me the opportunity to participate in a transformative journey of professional learning and wellbeing, where I rediscovered my passion, reignited my purpose, and reconnected with my vision for leading in education. Together, we got to nurture not just academic excellence, but also the holistic wellbeing of our school communities. Because when we thrive, so does the entire educational ecosystem.

Tara Quinney Principal, St Peter's College, Gore

Refresh, Reconnect, Refocus is the perfect title for this professional development. It does just that. A fantastic retreat, space to think, relax and start to reconnect. Derek and Maurie deliver a balance of knowledge and questioning that gives you time to think about your leadership and where to next. Both facilitators have the experience, understanding, connection and passion for education, this has inspired me to really look at the why for me!

Jan McDonald Principal, Birkdale North School

Engaged, passionate, well informed facilitators who seamlessly worked together to deliver and outstanding programme of thought provoking leadership learning.

Dyane Stokes Principal, Paparoa Street School

A useful and timely call to action. A great chance to slow down, reflect on what really drives you, and refocus on how to get there. Wonderful conversations, great connections, positive pathways forward.

Ursula Cunningham Principal, Amesbury School

RRR is a standout for quality professional learning for Principals. Having been an education PLD junkie for 40 years I have never before attended a programme that has challenged me as much because of its rigor, has satisfied me as much because of its depth or excited me as much because of realising my capacity to lead change. Derek and Maurie are truly inspiring pedagogical, authentic leadership experts who generously and expertly share their passion, wisdom and skills to help Principal's to focus on what is important in schools and be the best leader they can be.

Cindy Sullivan Principal, Kaipara College

Derek Wenmoth is brilliant. Derek connects powerful ideas forecasting the future of learning to re-imagine education and create resources for future-focused practices and policies to drive change. His work provides guidance and tools for shifting to new learning ecosystems through innovations with a focus on purpose, equity, learner agency, and lifelong learning. His work is comprehensive and brings together research and best practices to advance the future of teaching and learning.  His passion, commitment to innovation for equity and the range of practical, policy and strategic advice are exceptional.

Susan Patrick, CEO, Aurora Institute

I asked Derek to work with our teachers to reenergise our team back into our journey towards our vision after the two years of being in and out of 'Covid-ness'.  Teachers reported positively about the day with Derek, commenting on how affirmed they felt that our vision is future focused.  Teachers expressed excitement with their new learning towards the vision, and I've noticed a palpable energy since the day.  Derek also started preparing our thinking for hybrid learning, helping us all to feel a sense of creativity rather than uncertainty.  The leadership team is keen to see him return!

Kate Christie | Principal | Cashmere Ave School

Derek has supported, informed and inspired a core group of our teachers to be effective leads in our college for NPDL. Derek’s PLD is expertly targeted to our needs.

Marion Lumley | Deputy Principal |Ōtaki College

What a task we set Derek -  to facilitate a shared vision and strategy with our Board and the professional and admin teams (14 of us), during a Covid lockdown, using online technology. Derek’s expertise, skilled questioning, strategic facilitation and humour enabled us to work with creative energy for 6 hours using a range of well-timed online activities. He kept us focussed on creating and achieving a shared understanding of our future strategic plan.  Derek’s future focussed skills combined with an understanding of strategy and the education sector made our follow up conversations invaluable.  Furthermore, we will definitely look to engage Derek for future strategic planning work.

Sue Vaealiki, Chair of Stonefields Collaborative Trust 

Our Principal PLG has worked with Derek several times now, and will continue to do so. Derek is essentially a master facilitator/mentor...bringing the right level of challenge, new ideas & research to deepen your thinking, but it comes with the level of support needed to feel engaged, enriched and empowered after working with him.

Gareth Sinton, Principal, Douglas Park School

Derek is a highly knowledgeable and inspirational professional learning provider that has been guiding our staff in the development of New Pedagogies’ for Deep Learning. His ability to gauge where staff are at and use this to guide next steps has been critical in seeing staff buy into this processes and have a strong desire to build in their professional practice.

Andy Fraser, Principal, Otaki College

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